Saturday, July 01, 2006

Let's see if this text is "sacral"

I just thought I'd post a quick resume of any remaining elements of "sacral language" in the text of the New Rite of Mass, to see if it's really true that they are all gone and the Church is thus doomed.

The full text is here.

OK, let's go:

Priest: Lord God, we ask you to receive us and be pleased with the sacrifice we offer you with humble and contrite hearts.

Priest (aloud): Pray, brethren, that our sacrifice may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father.

People: May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands for the praise and glory of his name, for our good, and the good of all his Church.

Priest: We come to your, Father, with praise and thanksgiving, through Jesus Christ your Son. Through him we ask you to accept and bless these gifts we offer you in sacrifice.

We offer you this sacrifice of praise for ourselves and those who are dear to us.

This could take all week! I haven't even got to the Consecration!!!


Blogger Joee Blogs said...

sacral language doesn't mean the word "sacrifice" mate, perhaps that's where you're not quite following the surge of Catholic opinion...

in the words of a great monk with regards liturgy, "just look what way the wind's blowing!"

what happened to "blogging the Church in England and Wales"? This has turned into your own rant on the liturgy, something you said in your first post on this was simply "fuss". it's a pity cos you were on to a good idea for a blog.

Sunday, July 02, 2006 1:55:00 AM  
Blogger 1dayin7 said...

Ranting is par for the course in blogging.

Why should I follow popular opinion if I don't agree with it?

I simply don't think it's reasonable, and I tried to show my own viewpoint, with simple and clear evidence.

Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:18:00 AM  
Blogger 1dayin7 said...

I don't think that one word makes all the difference, but it seems pretty clear that it's nonsense that all reference to sacrifice or supernaturality has been removed.

Anyhow, if you want to contribute to the blog yourself, you're more than welcome.

I just do the best I can, in the awareness that it's not very good. It's only my viewpoint.

Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:20:00 AM  
Blogger Joee Blogs said...

Cheers for posting my comment and replying.

The basic issue is this, your blog claims to blog the Catholic Church in England and Wales, something which you're not doing. It's turned into your own personal rant. I use that word again as not all blogs are a rant.

They can be powerful tools for evangelisation, not through highlighting division but emphasising the wonderful beauty of the Church.

I very much respect you for standing up for what you think on some priests blogs. I said that to Andrew the other day, whom I understand you're mates with so we have a mutual friend there.

It's a brave thing to actually comment on a priests blog asking for clarification, it's a pity this isn't done more. It's as though if you want clarification on a point you're somehow showing a weakness and can be spoken down to. This shouldn't be the case.

Certainly blogging shouldn't be pretentious.

re bloggin' here, sure drop me an email if the offers still open and I'll throw some stuff up on this blog in the hope the Holy Spirit will use it to do some good, that's to say not my own personal agenda but that of the Lords.

Fraternally in Christ and in haste,

Joe (

Sunday, July 02, 2006 5:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Andrew said...

I jsut wanted to point out that your quotation of some of the prayers shows how much of a mistanslation we have in the new rite:

Priest (aloud): Pray, brethren, that our sacrifice may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father.

This is a wrong text as the bold bit should read: that my sacrifice and yours... and thus distinguishes that although everyone offers the mass together, the priest offers this sacrifice in a distinct manner to that of the congregation.

Monday, July 03, 2006 9:07:00 AM  

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